Are Apple keyboards, with only a delete key, less efficient in making deletions than conventional keyboards with both a backspace and a delete key?
I have been using a Windows desktop at home and my office. Although I have never had a laptop, I have been planning to buy an Apple laptop for use when I travel. However, I recently used an Apple and found its keyboard, in one particular way, to be inferior to the standard keyboards that I have been accustomed to using. Do you agree?
A conventional keyboard has two keys to make deletions. The backspace key deletes characters to the left of the cursor. The delete key deletes characters to the right of the cursor. In contrast, the Apple keyboard has only one key to make deletions. It is the delete key and it deletes characters to the left of the cursor. It appears that if I want to delete characters to the right of the cursor, there is no way to do that directly and simply. Am I correct about that? I must either use a second key or I must first highlight the text and then delete it.
Using a non-Apple conventional keyboard, it is also possible to delete an entire word and one adjacent space in only two strokes by using a combination of the control key and the delete key. The same can be done in the other direction using the control key and the backspace key. How would these two types of deletion most efficiently be done with an Apple keyboard?
The reality seems to be that two keys to delete can operate more efficiently, in more directions, than only one (Apple). Do you agree that the Apple keyboard is less efficient in making deletions than the conventional keyboard when using Word software? What is the best way to get around that inefficiency in a MacBookPro? If there is no way around it, should this discourage me from getting an Apple since I do lots of word processing and deletions?
Does the Apple keyboard have any advantages over the conventional keyboard that I should be aware of?
- Asked by Robert J from Granger
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22 Answers from the Community
fn + delete = deletes to the right of the cursor.
- Answered by Eric K from Saint Petersburg
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This is an old question but I wanted to set the record straight. Can't believe I'm wasting my time on this... I'm a software developer, Windows- and Linux-only until about 2 years ago when I got a MacBook Pro and now it's still my favorite personal computer.
Yes, on the MacBook keyboard, in order to forward-delete you have to press Fn+backspace. This doesn't end up being a big deal, at least to me. I don't type things backwards, so I don't delete them forwards.
Option+backspace deletes a word, option+arrow keys navigate by words. Same as Ctrl in Windows/Linux.
Command+backspace deletes a line, command+left/right navigate to beginning/end of line, same as home/end. I haven't missed the home/end keys. Command+up/down go to the top and bottom of the text area, same as ctrl+home/end.
These shortcuts became muscle memory to me in a matter of days from owning my MacBook, and they don't hinder my usage of PCs at all. Sometimes I come into work (to my Linux box) and the very first time I try to copy something I'll press alt+c, confusing it with command, but it's not like I spend the day mis-typing keyboard shortcuts.
For what it's worth, I prefer using my thumb for major shortcuts like copy/paste. It's more comfortable than my pinky.
- Answered by Ricky C from Asdf
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George H from Dayton:
In order to quickly take screen shots-it will save the image to the desktop:
cmd-shift-3: screen shot of entire screen
cmd-control-shift-3: screen shot will save in clipboard
cmd-shift-4: crosshair will appear and allow you to capture a screen shot of anything on your screen
cmd-shift-4 then spacebar: allows you to capture just a window on your screen. When the window is blue and cursor turns into a camera, click the screen with your mouse and it will save an image of the window to your desktop.
(adding control to any of the above keystrokes will save the image to the clipboard)
Hope that helps.
Also, there is an app called Grab that comes with all Macs that does the same thing.
- Answered by Amanda G from Massillon
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The full Apple keyboard (the one with the 10-key pad on the side), NOT the wireless one, DOES have both buttons. And yes, I agree, it is better with two buttons.
- Answered by William D from Columbus
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The Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad is a full-size keyboard. It has a backspace key and a delete key. They are in the exact same locations as the backspace and delete keys on Windows keyboards, and they function in the exact same way (deleting characters to the left and right of the cursor, respectively).
There is one cosmetic difference, though. The 'backspace' key on a Mac keyboard is labeled with the word "delete", and the 'delete' key is labeled with the word "delete" and a tiny arrow pointing to the right, indicating that the key deletes characters to the right of the cursor.
- Answered by Jonathan S from Newport Beach
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To answer George H’s question about using “Print Screen” on a Mac keyboard: go to System Preferences / Keyboard / Keyboard Shortcuts / Screenshots. Select “Copy picture of screen to the clipboard”. The default keyboard shortcut is Shift/Control/Command/3, but you can change that to any key combination you want.
- Answered by Cynthia B from Danboro
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MacBook keyboards require a fn-delete combination for the "delete-right" functionality. Deleting a whole word requires a double-tap on the trackpad to highlight the word followed by hitting the delete key. Having switched from Windows many years ago, these maneuvers are second nature and non-issues for me. As another poster commented, people can adapt to most things. I have not felt the need to research this, but I would expect there are key-mapping utilities that might offer other options.
As for whether or not this should discourage you from getting a MacBook, what are the reasons you are considering a MacBook in the first place? Does the delete key issue (in addition to any other negative attributes you come up with) trump all other positive attributes of the MacBook? It is difficult to justify a switch from PC to Mac or vice-versa. My personal feeling is there are other aspects of the switching question that will ultimately have a much bigger impact on your experience than the keyboard.
I am not a PC expert but I know there is some pretty hardware out there on the PC side. If I were considering a PC/Mac switch (in either direction), the hardware alone would not be enough to push me over to one side or the other. Much of the differences in Windows vs. OS X come down to personal preference. When I am forced to, I use a 4-year old Dell with Win XP at work, so I can't compare OS X with Win 7. But I am completely dependent on the implementation of various features in OS X that make it practical to have 30+ documents and windows open simultaneously across a dozen or more apps at the same time. I don't know what Win 7 offers as answers to Exposé and Spaces. Another big one is the ability to run Windows on the OS X desktop (via VMware Fusion or Parallels). I might actually consider switching the other way if I could run on the Windows desktop the few Mac-only apps that are essential for me.
- Answered by Glenn T from San Ramon
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Before buying a MBP; i was concerned about it too.
After some googling i found a program KeyRemap4MacBook. It remaps your eject button to a forward delete. Great!
- Answered by Jelle D from Wageningen
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- Answered by Curt L from Richardson
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So, in summary, (Thanks mostly to Ricky C's answer below and to some experimenting) for those of you coming from PC's who would like to use the same shortcuts you did with a mac, here is how you do them on a mac:
Backwards delete 1 character at a time: Delete
Delete 1 word backwards: Option+Delete
Frontwards Delete 1 character at a time: Fn+Delete
Frontwards delete 1 word at a time: function+Option+Delete
Command+Delete: deletes a line
Command Key acts like the control key on a PC
(command C = copy, command X = cut, comm. V = paste, comm A = select, comm B = Bold, etc….)
- Answered by Alice B from Red Lion
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I have the new wireless keyboard for my new iMac 27". I definitely agree that it is less efficient than the wireless keyboard I had for my old iMac G5. I can't believe that the designers eliminated the delete key, so one can delete to the right of the cursor. It's a big mis-design (omission, rather)!
However, I do like the functionality and feel of it. Typing is pure fun with these keys. I hope the corded keyboard is similar in key design and choice of material, because that's what I'm getting to replace the wireless.
I also have the "miracle" pad, but haven't figured out what to do with it, yet, and I'm currently not using it. I think, the magic mouse makes it redundant.
I'll see, if I can use the miracle pad in photoshop, as a drawing tool (or am I expecting too much?).
- Answered by Hans K from Quesnel
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You are SPOT-ON with your dilema! Pain in the toucas! I am constantly annoyed at not having a delete key. I purchased a 3rd part keyboard for mac, and it was great for a little while (and it had a delete key) but then it stopped working. So, I'm headed to the Apple store today to get another keyboard...one with a NUMERIC KEYPAD!! I hope it also has a delete key. I really miss the numeric keypad...didn't realize how much until work recently switched our laptops to a new one that has the keypad. It make a huge difference in my work.
- Answered by Cc C from Fort Huachuca
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You can also highlight a whole word with a double click over it. There is as others have posted in response before me a trick with a mac that substitutes the same function on a PC. Also the extended full apple keyboard with the 9 key at home or work where ever you use the MacbookPro more the difference is unnoticeable, and when on the road for work a bluetooth 9 key pad is small and allows numeral work like entering quantities, dollar values, price adjustments, etc. to be done with ease. I am a contractor and have the small wireless bluetooth 9 key add-on and enter measurements into my construction cad software all the time and I love this product.
Overall I would also tell you that the intuitive design of Apples Operating Systems is unparalleled and far outweighs any negatives you are describing above. The differences in how you execute a command are just the learning curve any person would encounter when changing OS or software. I said apple's setup is intuitive and by that I mean if you have a set of keys that performs one task in a program chances are the same set of keys performs similar tasks in other software written for apple products. Many of my friends have dismissed my suggestions to buy an apple always saying the main reason is the differences between systems and that It's not the same and the mac doesn't have a button for this function or that task. At the end of the day many of those friends have ended up with Apple computers . When they first get their apple I get that phone call with 20 million questions and I ask have you read your provide product info and in the programs read the help stuff know if they had I wouldn't be getting a call so they say "no". Read the literature, play with it, call with any questions you haven't been able to answer yourself in a week. Half the time I have to call them and when I do the express how happy they are with their Apple and that they answered their own questions easily. INTUITIVE DEFINES APPLE
- Answered by Charles B from Thousand Oaks
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The apple keyboard is fine. But I did notice something I never saw before. If I want to delete an entire word, I have to press FN/Delete when I highlight it. I never had to do that before. What is FN?
- Answered by Maureen B from Chicago
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Actually if you were to buy a separate keyboard just to type with then it also has 2 keys just like the PC's do.
- Answered by Juliana L from Cold Lake
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Well if you get the wired keyboard then you still have both the backspace and the delete key, except they are both called the same thing. If you get the wireless keyboard or just the laptop keyboard you can perform the 'delete' (right) function by holding down fn and hitting the normal delete (left). Apple computers are very nice machines to have, and after the time it takes to get used to apple they are really good computers. They are light, powerful, and have an excellent display (it's not all about the pixels), so if you can afford one its well worth the money. ANd if you buy a mac laptop and find after a few weeks you still don't like it, then you can install windows and make it always start up using windows. Look up apple windows bootcamp. They are fantastic keyboards.
- Answered by Floyd B from Hampton
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When zooming in on the picture i very clearly see both delete keys.
- Answered by Craig G from Stamford
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The only way around the very annoying missing DEL key, which only UK typists seem to miss, is Fn plus backspace. (Apple keyboards also have the @ and " signs swopped over - they are in the opposite place on a UK keyboard but I haven't found a cure for this. Also, where is the INSERT key from a UK keyboard?)
The answer to the other correspondent's question "How do I make a screen shot with the Print Screen button also missing" is that you hold down CMD plus Caps plus 3, (or CMD plus Caps plus 4 if you prefer, depending on how big an area of the screen you want captured in your screen shot).
- Answered by Ruth K
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Nope. Just as easy to use.
- Answered by Jan B from Parkdale
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I adore the Apple keyboard and just wanted to address the question regarding the print screen (the full keyboard does have both the delete key and the backspace - only the bluetooth small form factor one does away with the backspace requiring you to use the fn and delete for this). with the Apple you can not only print screen but with the use of the Cmd & Shift & number 3 buttons your cursor changes to a crosshair and from there you just use your mouse/trackpad to draw a box of what you want to take a screen-grab of. This is far better then the print-screen or the Alt & print screen button on Windows as you can take a screenshot of the part you need rather than the whole screen or the whole application window. I normally have lots of applications open and I do not want the screenshot to include bits that are irrelevant. Yes, I suppose i could take a screenshot in Windows and then open it with another program to cut out all around what I need but it is so much easier with Apple!
- Answered by James C
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Is the delete key with the "x" in effect the backspace key on this keyboard? If not, is there a backspace key?
- Asked by Ted F from Chatsworth
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Does this keyboard have have forward (data to the right) delete key? Is there some shortcut equivalent of this?
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does the apple keyboard come with black keys?
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